From arb06@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Fri May 23 13:51:17 1997 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:51:16 +0200 (MST) From: Bjoern Hendrik Gemein Reply-To: Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de To: info@archive.org Subject: Archive Message-ID: URL: http://bjoern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello! I have one question: How can I find out if my website has been archived? I have two websites, one at www.bjoern.com and one at www.brainforest.com. bjoern.com is my old one, I don't use it anymore and therefore it should not be archived. brainforest.com is my actual one, it should not have been archived in the past, but you may archive it now if you like (start at http://www.brainforest.com/index.html). The pages that might be most interesting (although written in German) are: lyr-x.htm nonsense.htm english.htm ko-mix.htm (with grafix) Best regards, Bjoern Gemein -- Bjoern H. Gemein FS-Med Uni Koeln, PJ-Referat eMail: Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de URL (old): http://www.bjoern.com URL (new): http://www.brainforest.com PGP Public Key: URL/bhg_pgp-key.txt http://www.uni-koeln.de/med-fak/fsmed/autoren/bjoern/ ________________________________________________________________ From root Fri May 23 19:50:06 1997 Received: from alexandria.alexa.com (alexandria.alexa.com [206.14.154.185]) by rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26802 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 19:50:05 +0200 Received: from guestpc.archive.org (guestpc.archive.org [206.14.154.176]) by alexandria.alexa.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12740 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:50:33 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970523105619.00d88ba4@archive.org> X-Sender: davem@archive.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:56:20 -0700 To: Bjoern.Gemein@Uni-Koeln.DE From: Dave Marvit Subject: Re: Archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: A Bjoern- Thanks for your interest in the Internet Archive. Right now there is no easy way for me to tell you if you site has been archived. Your best bet is to search your logs to see if we visited you. In any case, if you do *not* want your site to be archived then all you need to do is to install a robots.txt file in the appropriate directory and we'll steer clear. We will also apply the restriction retroactively to any data already collected. The instructions for this process are available on our web site. (www.archive.org) Best, -Dave Marvit At 01:51 PM 5/23/97 +0200, you wrote: >Hello! > >I have one question: How can I find out if my website has been archived? > >I have two websites, one at www.bjoern.com and one at www.brainforest.com. >bjoern.com is my old one, I don't use it anymore and therefore it should >not be archived. brainforest.com is my actual one, it should not have been >archived in the past, but you may archive it now if you like (start at >http://www.brainforest.com/index.html). > >The pages that might be most interesting (although written in German) are: > > lyr-x.htm > nonsense.htm > english.htm > ko-mix.htm (with grafix) > >Best regards, >Bjoern Gemein > >-- > >Bjoern H. Gemein >FS-Med Uni Koeln, PJ-Referat >eMail: Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de >URL (old): http://www.bjoern.com >URL (new): http://www.brainforest.com >PGP Public Key: URL/bhg_pgp-key.txt > >http://www.uni-koeln.de/med-fak/fsmed/autoren/bjoern/ > > ________________________________________________________________ From arb06@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Mon May 26 12:33:02 1997 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:33:01 +0200 (MST) From: Bjoern Hendrik Gemein Reply-To: Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de To: Dave Marvit Subject: Re: Archive In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970523105619.00d88ba4@archive.org> Message-ID: URL: http://bjoern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Hello Dave! On Fri, 23 May 1997, Dave Marvit wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:56:20 -0700 > From: Dave Marvit > To: Bjoern.Gemein@Uni-Koeln.DE > Subject: Re: Archive > > Bjoern- > > Thanks for your interest in the Internet Archive. Right now there is no > easy way for me to tell you if you site has been archived. Your best bet > is to search your logs to see if we visited you. I've just taken a look at the server statistics for "brainforest.com" (I'm still waiting for the stats for "bjoern.com" to come), the IP 206.14.154.180 (should be the IP of archive.org) and "archive" as a part of your domain name could not be found, so it seems that Archive.org didn't visite that URL yet. > In any case, if you do *not* want your site to be archived then all you > need to do is to install a robots.txt file in the appropriate directory and > we'll steer clear. We will also apply the restriction retroactively to any > data already collected. The instructions for this process are available on > our web site. (www.archive.org) I know that thing with the robots.txt, but the only way to invite your robots seems to be the use of the form on your website. And that only accepts an invitation if that invitation is made by the right IP - but my IP is only a "webspace", not a "internet access", so the IP is different. > > Best, Bjoern Gemein FreeAdvertBanners: http://www.brainforest.com/exchange.gif (Internet Link Exchange; 400x40) http://www.brainforest.com/mozilla.gif (Netscape Customer Showcase; 60x60) ________________________________________________________________ From arb06@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Mon May 26 13:03:44 1997 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 13:03:43 +0200 (MST) From: Bjoern Hendrik Gemein Reply-To: Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de To: Dave Marvit Subject: Re: Archive (2) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970523105619.00d88ba4@archive.org> Message-ID: URL: http://bjoern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: I've just received the server statistics for "bjoern.com": Same result as for "brainforest.com", that's okay. ________________________________________________________________ From root Tue May 27 20:08:49 1997 Received: from alexandria.alexa.com (alexandria.alexa.com [206.14.154.185]) by rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA55730 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 20:08:47 +0200 Received: from guestpc.archive.org (guestpc.archive.org [206.14.154.176]) by alexandria.alexa.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA07373 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:10:16 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970527111455.007788d8@archive.org> X-Sender: davem@archive.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:15:19 -0700 To: Bjoern.Gemein@Uni-Koeln.DE From: Dave Marvit Subject: Re: Archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: A Bjorn- I have asked the engineering team to modify that restriction. If you'd try again and let me know what happens I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance, -Dave >I know that thing with the robots.txt, but the only way to invite your >robots seems to be the use of the form on your website. And that only >accepts an invitation if that invitation is made by the right IP - but my >IP is only a "webspace", not a "internet access", so the IP is different. > >> >> Best, > >Bjoern Gemein > >FreeAdvertBanners: >http://www.brainforest.com/exchange.gif (Internet Link Exchange; 400x40) >http://www.brainforest.com/mozilla.gif (Netscape Customer Showcase; 60x60) > > ________________________________________________________________ From arb06@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Tue May 27 21:02:08 1997 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 21:02:07 +0200 (MST) From: Bjoern Hendrik Gemein Reply-To: Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de To: Dave Marvit Subject: Re: Archive In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970527111455.007788d8@archive.org> Message-ID: URL: http://bjoern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hello Dave! On Tue, 27 May 1997, Dave Marvit wrote: > Bjorn- > > I have asked the engineering team to modify that restriction. If you'd try > again and let me know what happens I'd appreciate it. "Thanks for dropping by!" - you see that it works now :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > -Dave > > ________________________________________________________________ From arb06@rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Wed May 28 10:36:06 1997 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:36:05 +0200 (MST) From: Bjoern Hendrik Gemein Reply-To: Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de To: Dave Marvit Subject: Re: Archive In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970527111455.007788d8@archive.org> Message-ID: URL: http://bjoern.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: On Tue, 27 May 1997, Dave Marvit wrote: > > Bjorn- > > I have asked the engineering team to modify that restriction. If you'd try > again and let me know what happens I'd appreciate it. I tried, it seemed to work. Now anyone can have his pages being archived without the need of having one IP for mail and host (which would mean to have an own server). But because of this new feature, it would be better if your robot would not check the robots.txt for the pages it shall not archive but for those that it is allowed to archive. The problem is that not so many webmasters know about your organisation, so they don't know that any of their pages could be stored "forever" (I guess search engines archive them only until the next change is made). So the webmasters who like their pages to be archived should take an active part, not a passive one. Bjoern ________________________________________________________________ From root Wed May 28 18:56:01 1997 Received: from alexandria.alexa.com (alexandria.alexa.com [206.14.154.185]) by rs1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA44423 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:55:59 +0200 Received: from guestpc.archive.org (guestpc.archive.org [206.14.154.176]) by alexandria.alexa.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13062 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 09:57:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970528100217.007710f8@archive.org> X-Sender: davem@archive.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:02:18 -0700 To: Bjoern.Gemein@Uni-Koeln.DE From: Dave Marvit Subject: Re: Archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: Bjoern- Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one. It has been a difficult issue for us to resolve. I guess that my position has been that when material of any kind is archived it is done almost always without the explicit permission of the creator of that material. If you think of what we are doing as being like a library, certainly it becomes clearer that collecting what can be collected is appropriate. If anything, I think we are somewhat exceptional in that we allow folks to opt-out. Certainly authors of books don't have that option. Even so, your point is appreciated. We all recognize that this is a new medium. What is or is not appropriate can only be decided through open discussion and debate. There are no clear answers yet. In that spirit your comments are very much appreciated. Best, -Dave At 10:36 AM 5/28/97 +0200, you wrote: >On Tue, 27 May 1997, Dave Marvit wrote: > >> >> Bjorn- >> >> I have asked the engineering team to modify that restriction. If you'd try >> again and let me know what happens I'd appreciate it. > >I tried, it seemed to work. Now anyone can have his pages being archived >without the need of having one IP for mail and host (which would mean to >have an own server). But because of this new feature, it would be better >if your robot would not check the robots.txt for the pages it shall not >archive but for those that it is allowed to archive. The problem is that >not so many webmasters know about your organisation, so they don't know >that any of their pages could be stored "forever" (I guess search engines >archive them only until the next change is made). So the webmasters who >like their pages to be archived should take an active part, not a passive >one. > >Bjoern > > ________________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Jul 02 06:44:25 1998 Received: from mail1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (mail1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.80.223]) by mail1.netcologne.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11567 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:27:51 +0200 (MET DST) X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Received: from dante.alexa.com (dante.alexa.com [208.203.25.165]) by mail1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00531 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:26:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from Geoff.alexa.com ([208.203.25.212]) by dante.alexa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-43067U100L100S0) with SMTP id AAA290 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:25:21 -0700 Reply-To: From: geoff@alexa.com (Geoff Mack) To: "Bjoern Hendrik Gemein" Subject: RE: Question Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 14:35:39 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01bda538$30e1d4e0$d419cbd0@Geoff.alexa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-UIDL: cedd2fcad88dda7c9885e3f350054c18 Hello Bjoern, Thanks for your interest in the Internet Archive. We don't have a "stop the robot" feature available to our users at this time, but I'll put it on the list for the future. Since it is the archive's mission to archive the entire internet we would wish to have the robot visit the site/IP anyway, even though it is no longer owned by you. If for some reason you believe we should avoid archiving the site now, please let me know and I'll see what I can do. Best regards, Geoffrey Mack > -----Original Message----- > From: Bjoern Hendrik Gemein [mailto:Bjoern.Gemein@uni-koeln.de] > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 10:26 AM > To: info@archive.org > Subject: Question > > > Hello! > > I have used archive.org to archive my website. I had invited your robot to > the IP 207.137.117.57 and it may have visited it in the meantime, but now > my provider has changed the IP. In order to avoid a mix of my website with > the one that may get my old IP one day, I have made a copy of the > index.htm > and called it index.bak.htm and invited your robot to archive it. > I'm not sure when the robot visited the URL the last time. If it > is able to > do so, it may get its "final update" of 207.137.117.57 by using the files > that are hosted on www.bjoern.com (it's the URL that was linked to the > above IP). But now that the IP has been changed, I can't set a robots.txt > to stop the robot, so how can I stop it now? > > Regards, > Björn Gemein > > -- > --- BEGIN MESSAGE SIGNATURE --- > ______________________________________________________________ > | Bjoern H. Gemein | cand. med. | Universitaet zu Koeln (DE) | > | www.bjoern.com | www.brainforest.com | www.dreamvalley.com | > |============================================================= > | PGP Public Key (2.6) | URL/bhg_pgp-key.txt | MPILIB/RSAREF | > | BBC2FE11 | 020A 53F6 D619 2058 145B 93A3 5244 A91B | 1024 | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ---- END MESSAGE SIGNATURE ---- > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > +>HINWEIS: Nach Paragraph 28 Absatz 3 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz+ > +widerspreche ich der Nutzung oder Uebermittlung meiner Daten+ > +fuer Werbezwecke oder fuer die Markt- oder Meinungsforschung+ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > # § 1 UWG # Az. 2HK O 3755/97 # Az. 312 O 579/97 # > # Az. 16 O 201/98 # Az. 16 O 301/98 # § 823 BGB # > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >